I like Rose as a person. He played with great passion. I think he made a tragic mistake. We all make mistakes. You forgive and you move on. But Rose made a tragic mistake in not telling the truth. That's a tough nut for Bud [ Selig ] to handle. It was a sickness with [Rose]. He'd go to the dog track and he'd bet two or three thousand dollars on the dog running. He loved the action.  You shouldn't have any betting in the locker room at all, whether it's baseball or it's horses. You can't beat the horses. You can't beat any kind of gambling because they have the odds. if they get deep into you they're going to say, 'Do this or do that.' Pete Rose